Letters to the Editor 08-22-2000
July 28, 2016 at 4:25 p.m.
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- Word Of Truth - Twisted Words - Race Track Squealing - Contempt For Scouts - Narrow View - Red Light Cameras - Hospitality
Word Of Truth
Editor, Times-Union:Fret not, Matthew Trier, as to Kaye Patton's comments in the Times-Union Aug 16th. Though you may be a little rough around the edges by your impassioned statements (one should read how and what Jesus spoke and said to the Pharisees and scribes) your comments are not unwarranted (maybe not welcomed) but not unwarranted. Liberalism is not restricted to politics alone. Patton's faulty reasoning is based upon humankind's (gender friendly) tendency to dictate the thoughts of God. (Isaiah 55:8) It has been going on for centuries. For example, by Patton's poor biblical exegesis every verse in the scriptures could be rewritten or dismissed by, as she says, "biblical scholars" if it doesn't follow or adhere to human reasoning.
If anyone truly studies and examines the Bible and allows the scriptures to interpret themselves, God's intentions and purposes will become clear. Kaye also incorrectly attempts to present an all-inclusive "open community" (Hillary's village?) trying to stamp an OK on an immoral "sexual orientation" preference. However this "open community" is not at all referred to in scripture. In fact, to the contrary 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 provides a list of those that will not inherit the Kingdom of God (community?) except by the proper biblical response for salvation.
Otherwise, by Patton's fuzzy rhetoric you could begin to wonder what Christ died for. Kaye also distorts the woman's role in the church. Yes, there are a multitude of women mentioned in the Bible (off hand I could add another half dozen to Kaye's list) that mightily served people and the Church in Old and New Testament times. However, the qualifications for an overseer (elder, pastor) of a church body is clear, for one, an overseer is to be "the husband of but one wife." (Titus 1:6, 1 Timothy 3:2) Overall, ambiguity permeates Patton's theology to where she may be espousing another gospel.
May you, Matthew, keep your zeal by adding more love and Christian charity, and "do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)
Timothy W. Young
Warsaw
via e-mail
Twisted Words
Editor, Times-Union:As I sit here tonight reading yet another editorial bashing Matt Trier and his beliefs, it never ceases to amaze me the responses that come into the editor. First, starting with the response from the Reverend Kaye Patton and I quote, "it isn't half of the scripture that speaks to sexual orientation but rather six passages and the translation of some of them is questioned by many biblical scholars. ..."etc, etc. I am appalled that a servant of Christ can sit there and twist and turn the inerrant word of God to conform to today's views. God created sex for man and wife, first for creation of children, secondly as a gift between husband and wife. Where does homosexuality fit into that? A woman caught in adultery was brought to Christ, Christ did not push her away, but forgave her and told her to sin no more. That is in the Bible and you cannot twist that around. Christ loves everyone but hates sin. He will always forgive, but also says to turn away from sin. Now, gays would have everyone believe that if you do not accept their choice, you are homophobic. No, not true. I have nothing against the person but disapprove of their actions. Why does Matt Trier have narrow beliefs? He is simply stating the clear and simple truth of God. No one is saying God doesn't love gays or otherwise. The truth is He is a God of love and forgiveness. If Matt Trier stepped on your toes then maybe you should go back to the word of God and see what it does say. Read it like it states, not how it can be conformed to today's standards and practices. Everyone has that right to state his beliefs. Matt Trier is one among many loving Christians which is taking a most difficult stand in the face of ridicule and disbelief. If anyone cares to look up Matthew 5 verse 10-12, I believe you will see for yourselves. I am truly tired of people shooting down someone that doesn't believe in today's liberal lifestyle as though we are full of hate. Why is it so hard to believe that liberal lifestyles won't be shoved down our throats? We don't hate, we just don't believe that all lifestyles are acceptable. Please don't say we are narrow minded just because we choose to believe God instead of man. If you read anything, please pick up a Bible and read Romans chapter 1 verse 18-32 with special attention to verses 26-32. Christians are people who read the word of God, believe it and live it. Not just people who pick and choose which verse would best suit their lifestyle. Where are the Christians? Why are we taking a back seat and afraid to speak up? Jesus Christ came to earth as a human so that we can relate to God our Father in terms we can comprehend. We can define Him in terms of being human.
Terry and Jennifer Disher
Nappanee
Race Track Squealing
Editor, Times Union:I see that one of the affluent nine minus two is squealing. Methinks that he protests too much.
Dale Tucker
Warsaw
via e-mail
P.S. Thank God I'm not your Mayor anymore.
Contempt For Scouts
Editor, Times Union:Tim Roemer:
While not suprised, I was shocked, angered and saddened by the (article) published in The Washington Times 8-18-00. You can find it for yourself at: www.washtimes.com/election2000/default-20008172390.htm Please take time to read it, if you haven't already.
I don't understand how you or your party can possibly allow this to happen without condemning the actions of these adult convention delegates who publicly showed contempt for The Boy Scouts of America and our American flag by jeering at children during the opening ceremony of your convention. The Boy Scouting program encourages good citizenship and is one of the few programs that turn out boys who conscientiously revere our country and love it. They are the type to actually try to work out problems within the system, not demonize, embarrass and publicly shout down those who don't believe the same way. Had I been that Scoutmaster the ceremony would have been halted and we would have walked off. Better to have no ceremony at all than to have that kind of irreverence go on during the Pledge of Allegiance.
These kids are our future, and I call on you to support them in a real and tangible way. Take a stand publicly and let us know how you feel about this incident.
Jack Wilhite
Third District
via e-mail
Narrow View
Editor, Times-Union:First, I would like to say that I agree that Matt Trier has a narrow view on biblical principles. That's because the truth is a narrow view. Jesus said in Matthew 7:13,14, "Enter by the narrow gate: for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Attempting to understand God's awesome love without acknowledging his power and wrath will only lead a person to a prideful heart rather than a humble one. 1 Peter 16:18 says, "Pride goes before destruction. And a haughty spirit before a fall." We must be humble before God and trusting in the truth of his word is a big part of that.
There are many issues that our "popular church" culture has attempted to distort the truth on. God would rather that a church preach the truth to just one person in the pew than to preach a distortion to thousands. I would like to suggest that for those who truly seek to know the truth, you will find it in the Bible and nowhere else.
Surrendering our will to Jesus, allowing him to be both Savior and Lord, is the hardest thing a human can do, and it's the only thing that really matters in all of life. I have experienced God's awesome love, but only after I accepted my rightful place in life as submissive to his will. A big part of that submission is a complete acceptance that his word (the Bible) is absolutely true, and having a desire for me to change to conform to his truth rather than trying to find a way to change the truth to fit my unrighteous human nature.
I share these things with love in my heart and God's word before my eyes.
Martt Clupper
Warsaw
Red Light Cameras
Editor, Times-Union:I have been reading with interest your articles concerning the installation of red light cameras on U.S. 30. Some things that should be brought to the public discussion are as follows:
1. State law would have to be changed so that the vehicle's owner is responsible for the ticket. This in many cases may not be the driver who actually committed the offense.
2. One of the first communities to install this technology was New York City. They have found that tracking down out of state owners is extremely difficult, so they do not pursue them. If the same policy is followed locally, will we be only ticketing local drivers? It seems to me that the biggest problem comes from trucks ignoring the signals, many of which are from out of state.
On the plus side, Tellis Traffic of Scottsdale, Ariz., manufactures a red light camera system that can be set up to hold a signal on red for all traffic when it detects a violator, preventing a collision. And the cameras do work, according to the May 1999 issue of Car and Driver magazine, New York's 15 red-light cameras racked up 168,471 tickets, yielding $5,435,815 in fines in their first full year of operation.
Jim Martin
Leesburg
via e-mail
Hospitality
Editor, Times-Union:I would like to take a moment and thank the representatives from Warsaw and Winona Lake for the hospitality shown our group of city, county, chamber of commerce, visitor and convention bureau and business people Wednesday. We came to your area in search of ideas to incorporate in our revitalization of our park land on Grand Lake and to see your downtown revitalization plans.
Not only did we find many useful ideas but we were treated with a class and quality I find outstanding. Our counterparts in your city and village gave us the "Red Carpet" treatment and the people we talked to were informative and answered all of the questions we asked.
The residents of Winona Lake and Warsaw can take great pride in the people they have placed in those positions. Once again I say, "Thank You," and welcome visitors to our city at any time.
Paul F. Arnold
Mayor, City of Celina, Ohio
via e-mail
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- Word Of Truth - Twisted Words - Race Track Squealing - Contempt For Scouts - Narrow View - Red Light Cameras - Hospitality
Word Of Truth
Editor, Times-Union:Fret not, Matthew Trier, as to Kaye Patton's comments in the Times-Union Aug 16th. Though you may be a little rough around the edges by your impassioned statements (one should read how and what Jesus spoke and said to the Pharisees and scribes) your comments are not unwarranted (maybe not welcomed) but not unwarranted. Liberalism is not restricted to politics alone. Patton's faulty reasoning is based upon humankind's (gender friendly) tendency to dictate the thoughts of God. (Isaiah 55:8) It has been going on for centuries. For example, by Patton's poor biblical exegesis every verse in the scriptures could be rewritten or dismissed by, as she says, "biblical scholars" if it doesn't follow or adhere to human reasoning.
If anyone truly studies and examines the Bible and allows the scriptures to interpret themselves, God's intentions and purposes will become clear. Kaye also incorrectly attempts to present an all-inclusive "open community" (Hillary's village?) trying to stamp an OK on an immoral "sexual orientation" preference. However this "open community" is not at all referred to in scripture. In fact, to the contrary 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 provides a list of those that will not inherit the Kingdom of God (community?) except by the proper biblical response for salvation.
Otherwise, by Patton's fuzzy rhetoric you could begin to wonder what Christ died for. Kaye also distorts the woman's role in the church. Yes, there are a multitude of women mentioned in the Bible (off hand I could add another half dozen to Kaye's list) that mightily served people and the Church in Old and New Testament times. However, the qualifications for an overseer (elder, pastor) of a church body is clear, for one, an overseer is to be "the husband of but one wife." (Titus 1:6, 1 Timothy 3:2) Overall, ambiguity permeates Patton's theology to where she may be espousing another gospel.
May you, Matthew, keep your zeal by adding more love and Christian charity, and "do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)
Timothy W. Young
Warsaw
via e-mail
Twisted Words
Editor, Times-Union:As I sit here tonight reading yet another editorial bashing Matt Trier and his beliefs, it never ceases to amaze me the responses that come into the editor. First, starting with the response from the Reverend Kaye Patton and I quote, "it isn't half of the scripture that speaks to sexual orientation but rather six passages and the translation of some of them is questioned by many biblical scholars. ..."etc, etc. I am appalled that a servant of Christ can sit there and twist and turn the inerrant word of God to conform to today's views. God created sex for man and wife, first for creation of children, secondly as a gift between husband and wife. Where does homosexuality fit into that? A woman caught in adultery was brought to Christ, Christ did not push her away, but forgave her and told her to sin no more. That is in the Bible and you cannot twist that around. Christ loves everyone but hates sin. He will always forgive, but also says to turn away from sin. Now, gays would have everyone believe that if you do not accept their choice, you are homophobic. No, not true. I have nothing against the person but disapprove of their actions. Why does Matt Trier have narrow beliefs? He is simply stating the clear and simple truth of God. No one is saying God doesn't love gays or otherwise. The truth is He is a God of love and forgiveness. If Matt Trier stepped on your toes then maybe you should go back to the word of God and see what it does say. Read it like it states, not how it can be conformed to today's standards and practices. Everyone has that right to state his beliefs. Matt Trier is one among many loving Christians which is taking a most difficult stand in the face of ridicule and disbelief. If anyone cares to look up Matthew 5 verse 10-12, I believe you will see for yourselves. I am truly tired of people shooting down someone that doesn't believe in today's liberal lifestyle as though we are full of hate. Why is it so hard to believe that liberal lifestyles won't be shoved down our throats? We don't hate, we just don't believe that all lifestyles are acceptable. Please don't say we are narrow minded just because we choose to believe God instead of man. If you read anything, please pick up a Bible and read Romans chapter 1 verse 18-32 with special attention to verses 26-32. Christians are people who read the word of God, believe it and live it. Not just people who pick and choose which verse would best suit their lifestyle. Where are the Christians? Why are we taking a back seat and afraid to speak up? Jesus Christ came to earth as a human so that we can relate to God our Father in terms we can comprehend. We can define Him in terms of being human.
Terry and Jennifer Disher
Nappanee
Race Track Squealing
Editor, Times Union:I see that one of the affluent nine minus two is squealing. Methinks that he protests too much.
Dale Tucker
Warsaw
via e-mail
P.S. Thank God I'm not your Mayor anymore.
Contempt For Scouts
Editor, Times Union:Tim Roemer:
While not suprised, I was shocked, angered and saddened by the (article) published in The Washington Times 8-18-00. You can find it for yourself at: www.washtimes.com/election2000/default-20008172390.htm Please take time to read it, if you haven't already.
I don't understand how you or your party can possibly allow this to happen without condemning the actions of these adult convention delegates who publicly showed contempt for The Boy Scouts of America and our American flag by jeering at children during the opening ceremony of your convention. The Boy Scouting program encourages good citizenship and is one of the few programs that turn out boys who conscientiously revere our country and love it. They are the type to actually try to work out problems within the system, not demonize, embarrass and publicly shout down those who don't believe the same way. Had I been that Scoutmaster the ceremony would have been halted and we would have walked off. Better to have no ceremony at all than to have that kind of irreverence go on during the Pledge of Allegiance.
These kids are our future, and I call on you to support them in a real and tangible way. Take a stand publicly and let us know how you feel about this incident.
Jack Wilhite
Third District
via e-mail
Narrow View
Editor, Times-Union:First, I would like to say that I agree that Matt Trier has a narrow view on biblical principles. That's because the truth is a narrow view. Jesus said in Matthew 7:13,14, "Enter by the narrow gate: for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Attempting to understand God's awesome love without acknowledging his power and wrath will only lead a person to a prideful heart rather than a humble one. 1 Peter 16:18 says, "Pride goes before destruction. And a haughty spirit before a fall." We must be humble before God and trusting in the truth of his word is a big part of that.
There are many issues that our "popular church" culture has attempted to distort the truth on. God would rather that a church preach the truth to just one person in the pew than to preach a distortion to thousands. I would like to suggest that for those who truly seek to know the truth, you will find it in the Bible and nowhere else.
Surrendering our will to Jesus, allowing him to be both Savior and Lord, is the hardest thing a human can do, and it's the only thing that really matters in all of life. I have experienced God's awesome love, but only after I accepted my rightful place in life as submissive to his will. A big part of that submission is a complete acceptance that his word (the Bible) is absolutely true, and having a desire for me to change to conform to his truth rather than trying to find a way to change the truth to fit my unrighteous human nature.
I share these things with love in my heart and God's word before my eyes.
Martt Clupper
Warsaw
Red Light Cameras
Editor, Times-Union:I have been reading with interest your articles concerning the installation of red light cameras on U.S. 30. Some things that should be brought to the public discussion are as follows:
1. State law would have to be changed so that the vehicle's owner is responsible for the ticket. This in many cases may not be the driver who actually committed the offense.
2. One of the first communities to install this technology was New York City. They have found that tracking down out of state owners is extremely difficult, so they do not pursue them. If the same policy is followed locally, will we be only ticketing local drivers? It seems to me that the biggest problem comes from trucks ignoring the signals, many of which are from out of state.
On the plus side, Tellis Traffic of Scottsdale, Ariz., manufactures a red light camera system that can be set up to hold a signal on red for all traffic when it detects a violator, preventing a collision. And the cameras do work, according to the May 1999 issue of Car and Driver magazine, New York's 15 red-light cameras racked up 168,471 tickets, yielding $5,435,815 in fines in their first full year of operation.
Jim Martin
Leesburg
via e-mail
Hospitality
Editor, Times-Union:I would like to take a moment and thank the representatives from Warsaw and Winona Lake for the hospitality shown our group of city, county, chamber of commerce, visitor and convention bureau and business people Wednesday. We came to your area in search of ideas to incorporate in our revitalization of our park land on Grand Lake and to see your downtown revitalization plans.
Not only did we find many useful ideas but we were treated with a class and quality I find outstanding. Our counterparts in your city and village gave us the "Red Carpet" treatment and the people we talked to were informative and answered all of the questions we asked.
The residents of Winona Lake and Warsaw can take great pride in the people they have placed in those positions. Once again I say, "Thank You," and welcome visitors to our city at any time.
Paul F. Arnold
Mayor, City of Celina, Ohio
via e-mail
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